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Mosque Fence Vandalized After Bin Laden's Death

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The construction fencing around the site of the proposed Voorhies Avenue mosque is sporting some new decorations: graffiti reading “He is dead” and happy faces.

The vandalism is believed to be in reference to the recent killing of Osama bin Laden. Organizers behind the proposed mosque and Islamic cultural center at 2812 Voorhies Avenue confirmed that the fencing was defaced after bin Laden was killed, calling it a “hateful act” for likening local Muslims to the fanatics that murdered thousands on September 11, 2001.

“That was graffiti from a person who looks at the world in the wrong way,” said Ibrahim Anse, a member of the committee overseeing the construction. “Osama bin Laden is dead, and we as Muslim Americans suffered from him and his act” as much as anyone else. “It is a relief for us as Muslims [that bin Laden has been] killed, which he deserves,” he added.

The vandalism has been reported to authorities.

The proposed mosque has received no quarter from neighbors who oppose the construction. While some base their arguments in zoning and quality of life issues, there’s been no shortage of those who believe the backing organization – Muslim American Society – has ties to radical Islam and terrorism, with some agreeing with one neighbor who said, “Most of them are terrorists.” Protesters have attended events carrying signs that show Arabs burning American flags, and the opponents chant against topics relating to Hamas, jihad and sharia.

The FBI has said they have “no indication whatsoever the Muslim American Society is affiliated with any organization that threatens our national security.” The main opposition group, Bay People, has itself said they seek to halt the project based on zoning arguments. They’ve previously told Sheepshead Bites that concerns about radical Islam are secondary and not the focus of the group, but speakers from the Brooklyn Tea Party and anti-Islam crusaders like Pamela Geller continue to speak about “security” concerns under the Bay People banner at protests.

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  1. This article will be misrepresented and used as further proof that MAS is pursuing a Anti=American agenda. It was written too objectively for proper interpretation by those who can’t or won’t consider its actual intent, which was to illustrate how Bin Laden went in a direction which hurt Muslims as well as non-Muslims.

  2. I want to circumcise everyone who put up that graffiti with rusty dull butter knife and if you are already cut I want to circumcise you again.

  3. I don’t know who wrote this but not me from the horses mouth. I was not even by my computer when this was written. Who ever did this watch out it’s appauling. Using other people’s name is illegal I would not do that going any further.

  4. I’m sorry that happened. This just shows how some of the people opposed to the mosque are trying to create distrust among us. This is a very sleazy tactic, but not surprising given that these people are motivated by anger and hostility.

  5. You know there is a saying(a religious saying) Gd Is Watching…. however i am not sure what exactly that means, but i am sure whoever fox around will get there’s.

    Karma is not only a Bitch but a bad Rash.

  6. They went to court today and the judge, Mark Partnow, ruled in favor of the mosque’s right to build.

    I’m quite sure the Bay People will attempt another nuisance suit. They are being supported financially by Islamophobe Pamela Geller and her followers.

  7. When I see muslims actively protesting terrorism, maybe I’ll start to respect them as a whole more. I know that they’re not all bad, as with any group of people. But they DONT step out and talk against it, all they talk about is the hate against THEM.

  8. Believe it or not, graffiti on a construction fence is not a crime. It’s considered to be something temporary, not property. You’d also think the mosque builders would not be offended by “he’s dead” since Bin Laden probably has killed more Muslims than people of all other religions combined. They’re also going to have a hard time selling this as a hate crime, since nothing disparaging about their religion has been written.

  9. http://www.pak-times.com/2009/01/02/protest-rallies-staged-against-israeli-strikes-gaza/

    To write on the fence is a violation. This is a private property. I agree this is not the way to argue. Seriously, I agree. What about burning American flags? See the link above. me personally – I want Muslim American Society to condemn Hamas, Al-Queda… So far, I know their leader did scream that he supports Hamas.

    Levp, do you support Hamas? Yes or No? Just answer please: yes or No?

  10. Dear Lisanne,

    please visit the Government Site:
    http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/eme073108.pdf

    “The conference for which he serves as director, PEACE, 58 is run by the Muslim

    American Society (MAS), an organization with strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.MAS was founded as the United States chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, the international Islamist, anti-Western organization whose goal is the “introduction of the Islamic Shari’ah as the basis of controlling the affairs of state and society.59”

    Are you familiar with these documents? Is these true or the lie of the another racist? Me personally, I have nothing against Muslims. I personally hired the Muslim person to work for me… I have a problem with these kind of documents. Are you sure these all the lie and the racist’s speech? Or maybe these are the real documents?

    PLEASE COMMENT

    P.S. I perfectly understand, when the left oriented people can not provide the logical explanation, they call their opponent “The racist”. But I hope you will provide the proof that MAS is a great American organizations without any ties to the Muslim brotherhood? Again, yes or no?

  11. Dear levp,

    please visit the Government Site: http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/eme073108.pdf

    “The conference for which he serves as director, PEACE, 58 is run by the Muslim

    American Society (MAS), an organization with strong ties to the Muslim
    Brotherhood.MAS was founded as the United States chapter of the Muslim
    Brotherhood, the international Islamist, anti-Western organization whose
    goal is the “introduction of the Islamic Shari’ah as the basis of
    controlling the affairs of state and society.59”

    Are you familiar with these documents? Is these true or the lie of the
    another racist? Me personally, I have nothing against Muslims. I
    personally hired the Muslim person to work for me… I have a problem
    with these kind of documents. Are you sure these all the lie and the
    racist’s speech? Or maybe these are the real documents?

    PLEASE COMMENT

    P.S. I perfectly understand, when the left oriented people can not
    provide the logical explanation, they call their opponent “The racist”.
    But I hope you will provide the proof that MAS is a great American
    organizations without any ties to the Muslim brotherhood? Again, yes or
    no?

  12. And I have considered that your coverage of what little news Gravesend can provide to be a kindness that they probably have yet to thank you for.

  13. Except for that the message on the fence was targeted specifically toward the people (area Muslims) who will be occupying the property once it is eventually, or not, turned into a mosque. It is quite clear and obvious that the graffiti writer likens all Muslims to terrorists and he or she believed that in writing what they did they were reaching their target audience. I do not disagree with what Microshock wrote, that they need to aggressively focus their energies by reaching out to the doubters and skeptics by more vocally denouncing terrorism instead of bellyaching about how they are always victims, but I nevertheless do not believe it is conducive to fostering good relations with a large segment of the population by antagonizing them.

  14. Then why did the FBI, when contacted, state without equivocation that they found no reason to believe that MAS had any direct ties to terrorist groups.

    We’ve been through MCCarthyism already in this country. There were lots of false allegations made in Congress then too.

  15. I saw the graffiti, and my first thought was that the developers had painted it to show that they were celebrating OBL’s demise as well.

  16. We discussed it previously in great detail. Please refer to earlier threads on this site. I can cut and paste those responses here, but I’m lazier than you.

  17. Contra-argument: you do know that all Christians screw little boys, don’t you? What do you do with such people?

  18. FBI works for President Obama and Erik Holder. Me personally – I do not trust them. Remember the civil court for the evil in NYC, remember to close Guantanamo, remember the huge deficit and debt ( China and Saudi Arabia almost owe us… ), remember… many other things. Also, FBI never provided the official written statement, as far as I know. Telephone call… Politics… Lissane, look at this government site above, read it. And please tell me your feeling – is this true or lie?

    Do you know what is going on in Europe, specifically in France? Do you know what is going on in Egypt today? Please look at internet… This is not a joke, Lissane… Muslims are the nice people, but they are under the influence of the radicals now… And I believe the MAS (based on the tons of publications ) is the part of the radical movement. At least you have to tell me please why do I do not have to worry about the MAS as my neighbor. Thank you

  19. Wrong, graffiti along with posting bills is illegal on construction or any public property. It is a quality of life issue like blasting the car stereo. Did you see the you tube video of the woman arrested for just leaning her canvas against a wall?
    Aside from that,I go along with Cabbie and his first thoughts, mine were the same. I looked at the penmanship and figured the D’s were different. Aside from that the press release expresses how Bin Laden caused their lives to suffer. Believe it or not people born in or who have left that country did not agree with politics practiced within.

  20. Sorry I accidently hit like. Have you been watching the news? How much more actively protesting do you want?

  21. Pamela Geller is a manipulative, press abuser. I sent off e-mails last time she showed her ugly persona. What a piece of work. Bay people will let anyone ride their wagon but they are losing hold of the reins.

  22. The “Government Site” is just a text of the Congressional testimony – a lot of people give testimonies in front of Congress (for example, Steven Colbert)…

    The person who gave this testimony, Steven Emerson, also “erroneously blamed the Oklahoma City bombing on Middle Eastern groups”, among other things:
    http://smearcasting.com/smear_emerson.html

    Some authority, indeed.

    P.S. I hope you will provide proof that you are not a robot. Yes or no?

  23. The “Government Site” is just a text of the Congressional testimony – a lot of people give testimonies in front of Congress (for example, Steven Colbert)…

    The person who gave this testimony, Steven Emerson, also “erroneously blamed the Oklahoma City bombing on Middle Eastern groups”, among other things:
    http://smearcasting.com/smear_emerson.html

    Some authority, indeed.

    P.S. I hope you will provide proof that you are not a robot. Yes or no?

  24. I’m sorry you don’t get this. The people who put this up were doing so with the intention of making a connection between Bin Laden and all Muslims.

    And it is defacement of property.

  25. hrow so much into the air that we get too annoyed to respond. Then they announce that we are obviously unable to provide counterarguments.

    This person expected us to spend hours reading all that testimony. Our problem is that we are relatively stable people who are not obsessed with their convictions. We are capable of seeing things from a a logical perspective. We are not driven by fear, though we do have concerns about the direction our society is going. But we don’t need to download massive tomes to justify our viewpoint. They are based on principle, not emotional reaction.

  26. Please, show me where Muslims are protesting terrorism or happy that Osama is dead. Because they’re not doing it enough.
    I was at the Ground Zero site last week to see Obama put a wreath at the site. No muslims. I know this isn’t a good measurement of anything but obviously there is no big group actively talking against it. But they’ll gladly talk about how they’re being hated and discriminated.

  27. You don’t know that there were none there. Just because you did not
    see traditional clothing you assume this? A muslim would think twice
    about the feeling of others at the site and dress accordingly.
    I think it possible that Muslim’s were working in the WTC at the
    time of the attack but I do not know if or how many might have died
    that day. The loss of life continues as they struggle for their rights
    in the homeland.

  28. evp, typical “liberal” and “radicals” tactic. Instead of the talking to the issue and go item by item, you attack the person using unknown non-reputable propaganda web-site… Nothing new…. Can I ask you a question – do you support Hamas? One of the most powerful leader of MAS, according to this video – YES.

    Or this is a faked video?

    P.S. I understand you even do not want to read and analyze the article / congress testimony. Much easier to to call me and the author ‘the racists” and close the issue…

    Belive me, I’ll be happy if somebody can prove me that all these testimonies are the “racists” speeches nothing to do with reality. So we can welcome MAS and close the issue. Unfortunately nobody did it ….

  29. Lisanne, I pefectly understand you. Typical Sol Alinsky’s tactic. Instead of the talking to
    the issue and go item by item, you attack the person. Nothing new…. Can I ask you a
    question please – do you support Hamas? One of the most powerful leader of MAS,
    according to this video – YES. Just 45 seconds, so you do not have to spend the time to read documents…

    Or this is a faked video?

  30. Again, please ask Faba to answer my question. You ask his advocate levp to answer 🙂

    My answer to your ” you do know that all Christians screw little boys, don’t you? What do you do with such people?” – PRISON, according to the law. Not simply “I want to circumcise everyone who put up that graffiti with rusty dull
    butter knife and if you are already cut I want to circumcise you again” according to the Faba, who made his statement and ignore my questions (probably reading Lissanne’s advice above about ignoring reading of the long articles)

  31. Fine, finally somebody answered my question 🙂 So, as far as I understand, You support HAMAS. Thank you for the honest answer, levp.

  32. I would not talk about the muslims generally. Majority of them are the nice people, same like any other nation and religion… Good people and bad people. The problem is: the radical groups, tied to Muslim Brotherhood and similar organizations ( based on the open media sources – MAS is one of them) try to “educate” the american muslims and forward their mind to the “radical” directions… Brain wash…. That is the way how I personally see the problem…

  33. I am against of unauthorized graffiti even on private property, not just construction or public :-))) Even more against on private (including construction site)!

  34. Those local Muslims are the local branch of MAS which is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Enough said? The graffitti was appropriate as far as I’m concerned – whoever did it isn’t handing out candy or dancing in the streets over an unprovoked attack on Americans – they are celebrataing the capture and killing of the world’s enemy and terrorist.

    The absolute proof of MAS being part of the Muslim Brotherhood is available to all who wish to see it, just google it. That MAS’ mission is to fit in until the call to kill comes doesn’t mean these Muslims are anything like us. The FBI’s denials came after our Liar and Muslim in Chief took office.

    Remember, no other group of people are lopping off heads, blowing up restaurants, embassies and the like, and doing all manner of murder against any people other than their own!

  35. Have to agree withUkraina. There is good and bad in every religion, nationality and country.

  36. Ukraina, not only I have nothing against burning the flag I encourage it. You want to burn a flag go right ahead, hell burn two flags. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinion in this particular way. If I don’t mind that some hippie in upstate NY burns a flag I sure as hell do not care if some angry shoe maker in Jalalabad does it. Express your opinion I encourage that, even if your opinion is not popular with me.Now people who promote violence and hatred should feel the wrath of my rusty butter knife as well. God knows I hate all religion (
    pun intended). You have to be an idiot to believe in magic man in sky, no matter what your religion is it’s wrong and does more bad than good. However I will never support blind hatred of one group of another based on religion, race or ethnicity. As much as I do not want to see any, and I repeat any religious organization on SB or any ware on earth to that matter, I fully support their right to
    exist
    on equal bases with the rest of the religious orgs. So unless we ban all the churches and synagogs in the hood, Muslims have a right to have a place of their own too.

  37. I’m sorry I did not get to answer your question at more convenient for you pace Ukraina. I’m on spiritual quests these days. Traveling between pollen infused river of snot and histamine induced haze.

    Oh speaking of that,
    Ukraina are you circumcised? Because if you are not I know this mohel who got in to a little trouble with a bookie and now practices his craft out of the van. So what you say? Do you want to tame that 5” beast of yours? It’s not that bad buddy. So what if it will be a little shorter at least it will have some personality, have a look to it. Plus he doesn’t have to go down on 2-3 minute count. Come on ladies give Ukraina some encouragement!

  38. omg just saw the rest of Ukraina’s post. Somebody has been watching Glenn Beck a little too much 🙂 Good for you buddy, I watch the show too whenever I catch it, it’s very good. One of the most funniest shows on TV.

  39. I guess because Hamas is elected, that gives them the right to shoot rockets at citizens? What exactly is your point, besides a general cynicism.

  40. This is a perfect example of a person of that political persuasion making any anti-American comment he can possibly make just out of cynicism. I hate to label it as anti-American, but tell me what else it is. You know damn well that the U.S. was helping the rebels fight the soviets in Afghanistan. The fact that Bin Laden turned against us, what does the statement “Osama was our best friend once” mean?. Japan was an ally in WWI, what does that mean, that America helped bomb Pearl Harbor? Geez, cynicism is a bad way to go thru life, friend.

  41. Come on people. Graffiti is a crime. Does it matter whether you agree or not with the message? Has it come down to “it’s not a crime if I agree with the politics”?

    If someone graffitis “Obama sucks” and “Bush sucks”, do you think only one of those is a crime?

    When the law becomes an amorphous, politically-dependent structure, you’re really really going down the fascist road.

  42. I agree with the Bay People regarding the zoning issue.

    I cannot imagine having bought a home which has similar two story homes on either side and then suddenly – you have a 4-5-6 story mosque there instead.

    This is in fact a quality of life issue – would you want to have this in your backyard?

    There is plenty of open space in the area – to wit Knapp Street – which would have been a better choice. Seems to me like this is a F–K You, in your face move by the Muslim American Society. I also do not see why Dept of Buildings is going along with the zoning change. Did some “money” change hands? This is not fair at all and I wish the Bay People the best of luck in fighting it.

  43. One moment, please: you are the one not talking about the issue at hand, namely, defacing private property. What Hamas has to do with it?

  44. In NYC building terms – A cellar is more than 50% below grade. A basement is more than 50% above grade.

  45. How do you know there were no Muslims there? It’s not tattooed on the back of their necks.

  46. Ok my bad. Three story is still not two story HOME. If it were next to me I would be quite upset. Does NOT belong there. And for the record I do not hate Muslims. As with all races each person is an individual period in case that was your next retort

  47. I agree. I don’t think a community center of any sort belongs in the middle of a residential block – but the current zoning laws allow it.

    The Bay People should be using their money and influence to prevent change the zoning laws so that residential blocks are not being destroyed like this.

    But unfortunately this case smacks of racism and Islamaphobia – in the BBC article it mentions a synagogue being built nearby that isn’t being protested. Why not? It’s the same deal – just a different faith.

  48. Oh yes, the organizers of this mosque did these things?

    Last time we had “guilt by association” in this country it was called McCarthyism and it ruined the lives of a lot of decent people.

  49. That’s NOT a relevant question. The question is whether we allow freedom of worship in this country. If you opposed the right of Muslims to worship then you are opposed the rule of law in this country. And constitutional law is the ultimate definition of what is, and what is not allowed.

    Do you support our constitution?

  50. If it was built in the same way spacewise and in such close proximity to adjacent homes I would feel the same. People buy homes with a certain expectation and it is morally wrong to do this just because you CAN.

  51. Interesting point, Faba. Thank you for that. As far as i understand, you would do the same ( “I want to circumcise everyone who put up that graffiti with rusty dull
    butter knife and if you are already cut I want to circumcise you again”) with the murders of Fogel’s family? See the site below

    http://tundratabloids.com/2011/03/a-jew-from-judea-speaks-his-mind-in-light-of-recent-brutal-murder-of-jewish-family-a-palestinian-terrorist.html

    Am I right. You would do the same with the murders of Fogel’s family?

  52. Thank you, Faba. Personally, I do not like to watch Glenn Beck show. Too many ads, every 2 min – paid advertisement… This is not for me 🙂 Faba, can I ask you the honest question? Do you support Hamas? Can you just answer honestly,yes or no, anyway nobody know you real name.

    By the way, the media is talking about the Sheepshead Bay Mosque and Bay people as racists much more than about the Fogel’s family

    http://tundratabloids.com/2011/03/a-jew-from-judea-speaks-his-mind-in-light-of-recent-brutal-murder-of-jewish-family-a-palestinian-terrorist.html

    Only some “racist” sites did the story and…. Glen Beck on Fox News. By the way, he got fired right after that? Accidentally? maybe…

  53. But those are a lot taller. And several houses nearby have had an addition floor put up. Of course, no one protested those changes.

  54. Faba, you don’t have to answer that question. Only because it has absolutely no relevance to this discussion. It’s Ukraina’s version of “Are you now, or have you ever been a Communist”.

  55. There is no any version, Lisanna, Again, leader of the MAS ( developer of the Sheepshead Bay Mosque ) supports HAMAS ( based on the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIcfigtbEU )You support the MAS building the Mosque near my house. My question is absolutely reasonable: Do you support HAMAS? Your “no answer” or ” I do not have to answer” means to me, that you support HAMAS. Am I wrong? If yes, just tell me please: “Ukraina, You are wrong, I do not support HAMAS” . or ” yes, I support” What’s a big deal? You spent so much time to argue with me instead of the simple answer yes or no. Thank you…

  56. OK I’ll play.

    I do not support Hamas Ukraina. I knowledge they exist. But I do not support their ideology. So no I do not support Hamas. I can not support people who never smile. Have you ever seen Hamas member smile? I sure never did. Come to think of it Arabs do not like to smile that much. I wonder why? I think that’s because they do not have Chris Rock in middle east. Everyone their walking around all pissed and serious. Someone got to teach them a few knock knock jokes. All they really need in middle east are strip clubs and comedy clubs and everything else will be just fine. Who wants to go and listen to some not funny Hamas leader when you can go and have a few laughs in comedy club?

    Oh Ukraina you post link to scary sites. They do not have a single picture of cat meme.

  57. “Wrong, graffiti along with posting bills is illegal on construction or any public property.” Posting bills is a sanitation offense. Graffiti under this circumstance might be considered the same but I assure you, it is not a crime. Ask Tony Avella. Furthermore, the woman who leaned her canvas on a construction fence had all her charges dismissed because she committed no crime. And lastly, “He’s dead” is an expression of relief, not an expression of hate. There is no crime here. It may irk you and the mosque, but this will go nowhere.

  58. Thank you, Faba. You just simply answer my question. And, honestly, I am really happy with this answer. I also do not support HAMAS! But the leader of the MAS ( the developer of the Sheepshead Bay Mosque – does). see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIcfigtbEU

    Plus many other open sources. That is why people do not want to see this organization ( please see the difference : Muslims and MAS ) in our area…

    Again, thank you, Faba, for your honesty

  59. […] The facts about MAS have not stopped Islamophobes from targeting the mosque, though. One anti-mosque protester told a Brooklyn newspaper in 2010: “If they build a mosque there, I’m going to bomb the mosque.” The newspaper reported that the person who said that, who would not give his name, “identified himself as a former Israeli soldier.” And after Osama bin Laden’s death, the walls surrounding the lot where the mosque is being built were vandalized. […]

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